Ah, straight girls...  Nearly all of my butch friends have an anecdote or two about dating straight women, trying to date straight women, or straight women trying to date *them*.  So when I received the following [edited] email from a BW reader, I decided it was time for an entry about the topic:

Hey there.  I am really bad at telling if a girl is straight or gay.  I've hung out with this girl a few times and I want to ask her out.  She doesn't have a boyfriend.  Should I try to date her if she's straight?

LOTS of complications packed into that email, no?  In no particular order, here is my (admittedly scant) wisdom on straight women and butches:

  1. If she's actually straight, you're not going to "turn" her.  If you identify as lesbian, think about this: is a really hot bio-man going to suddenly turn you straight?  No.  (Okay, except for maybe Jake Gyllenhall, and even then, only for a night.)  And wouldn't you think that a guy who presumed that he could turn you was an arrogant arse? See what I mean?  Respect straight women's sexuality.  That said...
  2. Sometimes, "straight" women are still figuring things out.  After all, I was a "straight" woman once.  So was my DGF.  So was my buddy C.  Just because she's straight now doesn't mean she'll still be straight in six months.  And THAT said, tread lightly because:
  3. It generally sucks to be someone's experiment.  You're trying to build a relationship with her and SHE'S still trying to figure out whether she wants to go back to her ex-boyfriend?  Yuck.  Who needs that kind of pressure?  And it doesn't feel particularly good when they go back to guys, either, saying that they decided they think of you as "more of a friend."  Do you really want to be someone's coming out confidante, experiment, and lover?  (The correct answer is: NO.)
  4. Straight women flirt with butches.  I don't know why it is, but many straight women flirt with butches a LOT.  It's like we're "safe" recipients of flirtatious adoration.  Then if we ever try to make a move, they can suddenly be like: "Oh no--I'm straight, you know that!"  I have a few straight friends who will hug me, hang on me, and tell me I smell good, look hot, etc.  But I guarantee that if I ever DID anything, they'd flip.  This really, really sucks if you're attracted to any of them.  (I, personally, feel lucky that 99% of the time, I am attracted to other butchy types, because they tend to be more obviously "out.")
  5. There is a difference between bisexual women and straight women who are "experimenting."  I know more than one lesbian who says she won't date bisexual women.  This strikes me as silly.  If someone has a track record of dating men AND women and identifies as bi, she's not "experimenting;" she's genuinely bisexual.  (If she's never dated a woman, though...  tread lightly.)  Yeah, I know it might be a little mind-boggling to those of us who are 0-1's or 5-6's on the Kinsey Scale, but some people truly don't care about their partner's gender.  They are not "undecided."

I cannot, however, speak to is how straight women respond to dating trans men.  I know a handful of trans men-straight women couples who seem to be dating without incident.  If any readers want to speak to this (or anything else I've left out), please comment!
 


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sherry
06/23/2011 18:33

hey if you just want a piece of ass and no strings attached then they are good for that

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Briellen
06/24/2011 21:28

Just because someone isn't easily identifiable doesn't mean they're straight, so I definitely think that you need to be careful as in don't just walk up to her and say "hey you're hot let's go out" but definitely go for it if you really like her (ask her things only a gay lady would know ;]).

I am presentable as straight but most of my friends think tell me that I'm androgynous. This poses a problem, especially when alchohol is involved and I'm hanging out with my gorgeous best friend. I would never let anything happen because I fully agree that you don't want to be anyone's experiment (if you REALLY like her), I've been there and it wasn't fun. Incidentally the girl who "wouldn't date other girls, only me" who I thought I could "turn" ( I was young and naiive) is now married with a child, perfectly straight, and although she continues to say we'll always have something special I know she just 'kissed a girl and liked it'.

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DeAnn
06/29/2011 00:19

The straight girl giggle... I HATE that. I am all too aware of the dangers of a straight girl. NEVER never underestimate their power over a bio. The boi ego gets in the way... errgg....

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11/21/2011 07:49

It seems to me like there's a great deal of adversity towards the notion of a woman who would consider herself butch, and yet would be straight.

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05/14/2012 08:24

Some very good remarks on the huge difference existing between butches and bisexual girls. One of my friend had an experience with a bisexual woman. It hurts. Really.

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Lisa
12/02/2012 23:43

If a straight woman is straight, you are most likely an experiment, HOWEVER there are occasions where normally they do not dig women but you happen to trip their trigger. It DOES happen.

"Bisexual" is NOT code for "flaky", "greedy and loose", "experimenting", "must have one of each", or "seeking a time killer until I can win back my ex-boyfriend". It means they are capable of sex/romance/love/relationship/attraction to either. Binary notions aside, some like a particular energy or personality type, but the package it comes in doesn't matter. I for one am not attracted to feminine women (though I won't turn one down if I feel something for her), but love butch women.

If anyone you are seeing, regardless of orientation, goes back to their ex, regardless of gender, it is because they used you as "stepping stone" and would have used anyone as "stepping stone", but you were handy. I guarantee it is nothing to do with whether you are lesbian and they are bisexual or whatever.

I have had very painful experiences with both men and women. People can just be mean to each other, and sometimes things just don't work.

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Lee
03/20/2013 12:29

"If a straight woman is straight, you are most likely an experiment, HOWEVER there are occasions where normally they do not dig women but you happen to trip their trigger. It DOES happen."

OMG! I am going through the same thing with my neighbor. I think I triggered something in her. A couple of weeks ago we went out for lunch and returned to her place. During our conversation, which the topic was about sex, she stopped me and told me I had to go. I asked her why, she told me because I am with my partner.
I still talk to her but planning to go no further than friends.

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KB
12/18/2012 16:03

I have been talking about this topic and asking around for insight, but no one else seems to be talking about it. What is the attraction to straight women over femmes? Is it the challenge? The extra ego boost? A way to circumvent committment issues? Has anyone else experienced this phenomenon?

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hmmm
03/05/2013 00:35

A few years back a friend of mine told me she was gay and said that she liked me. I was flattered and we flirted but not more then that. that was the first time anyone has forwardly told me they liked me. since I was just in highschool at the time and a pretty shy person. She showed me how to flirt, I had nothing to be afraid of because I knew she liked me for who I was. It was great to have her as a friend but I knew right away that I was straight and had to let her know. Now recently a few years later I have a bad habit of flirting in the same way I flirted with her, with my straight friends when we go to shows and to the club. example - feeling up my friends leg,waist. lol. It gives me a weird ego boost. I'm really shy around guys and don't really know how to flirt with guys. But yet I know forsure that I'm straight because it just doesn't feel right with a girl. the romance isn't there for me with a girl I think. what is everyones opinion on that? because when I was in the club I asked my friend if she was gay and she automatically said bi but I think she was just saying that to see if I would say that I am gay. But I'm not. I just like flirting with girls bc you can't hit on a guy like that because it's against the social norm unless your already dating or already into eachother.

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TheTruth
04/15/2013 13:32

even straight women are turning gay nowadays, go figure.

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amberfords
05/03/2013 20:57

OK so happy I found this site. I am straight an married yet married to a Guy 15 yrs my senior so needless to say the sex life is near to non existing. I find butch women attractive an would like one as a long term friend who accept my situation. I need excitement . Is this wrong to want a butch friend for an ongoing friendship. Knowing beforehand what I want her to do with me. How do I approach situation I'd be willing to be honest. He'll I want a friend to laugh joke talk to maybe cook dinner for viceversa. Share life experience with. But most importantly I want her to blank my blank till I pass out into a narcaleptic coma since my senior citizen doesnt.

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