I feel like it would be virtually anti-American not to say anything about the presidential debate, but for me it hovered between depressing and irritating. The substance centered around giant economic plans whose conception--let alone implementation--is opaque to practically all of us. Would most people know the difference if Obama had said Romney favored cutting $8 trillion in taxes instead of $5 trillion? Or if Romney had said Obama planned to cut $416 billion from Medicare instead of $716 billion? Numbers that huge are difficult for most of us to assess unless we've got special expertise and/or gobs of free time. Instead, we assume that the candidate we favor is mostly telling the truth, while the other guy is spinning it somehow. Candidates vaguely reference "studies," but never go beyond that. Are there really "six studies" debunking Obama's critique of Romney's tax plan? At most, you might Google it (whereupon the sketchiness of Romney's citation becomes apparent). But even when you learn that the studies were conducted with biased motives, how do you know they're not accurate? Are you going to go read them and assess their validity? Am I? The debate format--with its time constraint, vague questions, unwieldy numbers, and dearth of precise follow-ups--makes it very difficult to see who's telling the truth. If you're like me, you end up relying on trusted sources, or on your own assumptions about the candidates, or on the candidates' values as best you can discern them. And this is where Obama could have scored big, I think--turning the topics into questions of values rather than questions of numbers. Gay rights, women's rights, Romney's "47 percent" gaffe--these issues underscore crucial value differences between Obama and Romney. And voters understand values; we have them, too. And since values underpin specific economic proposals, if we only have 90 minutes I'd rather hear about values. Instead of talking about my other reactions to the debate, which will depress you and me both, here are my reactions to the debate I wish I'd seen:
Did you watch the debates last night, dear readers? What did YOU think? I'm looking forward to your comments.
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Lyndsay
10/4/2012 03:12:26 am
I watched, I really wish Romney hadn't been allowed to be such a bully. I know e ermine is saying Obama w too subdued and didn't hit Romney hard enough. Let me just say I do wish he hadn't let Romney say he cut that 716 billion, because that cut saved the program but he let that go unanswered. I do see what Obama was doing though. Romney may have had more intensity, but he didn't actually say anything!!! He attacked Obama's policies with lies and revisions on the truth. In my opinion Obama sat back and let Romney lie on every point, run away from his own tax plan, the biggest lie I've ever heard, a man who as he points out has been in business for over 20 years knows nothing about companies getting tax breaks for shipping jobs overseas. So to all of those who say Romney won, he might have performed better, but so do athletes on steroids. Lying is the same as cheating
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Lyndsay
10/4/2012 03:13:20 am
**everyone
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Jill
10/4/2012 03:40:18 am
I honestly did not watch it. And to be perfectly honest I fear either of these men being the president of my residence.
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Shawna
10/4/2012 05:12:06 am
I would have liked to seen a more aggressive approach from Obama last night, including faster rebuttals and more concrete answers. But, as I thought about it later on, I feel this could possibly have been a political strategy on Obama’s part; a defense tactic which would allow Romney to drown himself in his on spew of lies. Now, these lies are all out in the open. Just sitting there, ready to be torn open by fact checkers and exposed to the media. Assuredly, the Republicans are gloating over the so-called “win” last night, but I think, and I hope, it was just enough to get them together in a cluster with the intention of drop kicking them hard in the next debate. Maybe, they will let their defenses down a little and get a little lazy if they feel they already have this election in the bag. Clearly, Romney has absolutely no foundation to stand on. His mathematically impossible plan is very vague on its details or even its name...if there is one. Obviously, as with most Republicans, he hopes to win this election with money instead of facts or even his so-called “plan”. Also, I agree with Lyndsay, Romney did come off as such a bully. A pompous ass, as I have called him. Obama will play on such arrogance and show the American people that we need brains running the country, not brawn. Obama does know how to talk to the American people, he knows the answers we want on the issues that matter most. I’m confident Obama will shine on the next round and shut Romney down with facts, truth and the ability to actually plan.
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Deborah Tanner
10/4/2012 08:21:08 am
I was at work and only got to catch a few moments of the debate here and there....I was not impressed with what I did get to see.
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dee
10/4/2012 10:23:12 pm
I did not watch. I live in a battleground state - and have been "privileged" to be inundated by both campaigns.
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I watched highlights on Huffpost because I work second shift at a hospital. For me...God...For one thing, I couldn't watch it as an "undecided" I haven't been that, politically, since I was twelve. (Steelworkers Union/ FDR Democrats growing up, then "coming of age" in Madison during the Sanctuary Movement, Take Back The Night, and soooo much else, during the Reagan years.)
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Try
10/6/2012 09:02:57 am
I didn't watch, mainly because I'm not planning on voting. There are a few reasons for this. One is that I don't think it matters who the president of the United States is. I think the people who influence what goes on in global politics are the people who control huge corporations. They probably make up less than 1% of the worlds population, yet they control 90% of its resources. We don't get to Elect them, ha ha. I also think our votes literally don't count. The elect oral college does not allow for a popular vote victory. Not in any direct way, anyhow. Lastly, I don't feel that the two candidates are different in any deeply significant way. Our government needs fundamental change at it's very deepest roots. Neither one of the candidates has ever mentioned doing anything in this direction.
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dee
10/6/2012 10:05:07 am
Try - I couldn't disagree more - while agreeing with you on some fundamental points. I will agree that corporations have tremendous influence on government and politics. HOWEVER, the president does control nominations to the courts - and there are vast differences in the philosophies of the two candidates with regard to the judiciary.
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10/12/2012 12:43:47 pm
@ Dee--I completely agree. @Try--it makes me sad that you wouldn't vote! After all, who makes the regulations that determine whether corporations CAN control the world?? Your comment will be posted after it is approved.
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