![]() Do we want state involvement in this? How much? _Lately, I've been pondering the whole idea of marriage as a state creation, and the government's involvement in family structure. First, let me be clear: I'm just trying this argument on for size; I'm not entirely convinced it's right. But as a thought experiment, follow me down this road for a minute. Imagine that the government was no longer in the business of sanctioning any family structure at all. First, suppose that there was no such thing as state-sanctioned marriage. No tax benefits for being married, no deductions, no implications for social security credits. Instead, marriage would simply be something that people do privately to announce their commitment to their friends or their church or their family or their God. There would be no legal implications for this, only psychological and emotional ones. Taking the government out of our private lives would have implications for family structure, too. There wouldn't be tax deductions for having kids, for example. Why should the government give people a financial incentive to have a particular family structure?) Instead of making sure that your employer gives you leave if you have a child (biological, adopted, whatever), the government could make sure that everyone got a certain amount of leave time to do whatever they wanted. If you want to have a kid, great. If you want to write a novel or volunteer at the local animal shelter with that time instead, great. It's not that people with families would be "punished;" it's simply that family-related activities wouldn't be privileged over other activities. Similarly, the Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA) could still exist, but it wouldn't just be to take care of a family member. Instead, you could use it if you needed to take care of anyone who was sick, even a friend. I can imagine downsides to this approach, not to mention logistical difficulties associated with a lack of default rules about various matters (e.g., who can visit you in the hospital). Health insurance could be problematic, too (though, uh, if we gave everyone health care, this wouldn't be an issue...). But there's no reason we couldn't find solutions to these problems. Since, statistically speaking, most people benefit from the laws and policies and practices that endorse particular family structures (and particular activities related to the creation and maintenance of these structures), I doubt that the government is likely to disentangle itself from these anytime soon. But when we talk about whether gay marriage is worth fighting for, I can't help but wonder if these fights are beyond the point. As long as marriage remains a government creature, I will remain fully dedicated to marriage equality. But maybe the real problem is that the government rewards and incentivizes particular ways of living over other ways, calling the structures it endorses "American values," and implicitly branding all others deviant. If this is so, it is a problem that goes well beyond gay and straight. I'll be interested to know what you think about all of this, dear readers. Should marriage be a government creature at all? At the very least, I think it's worth pondering.
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Lyndsay
2/24/2012 02:56:47 am
I would rather it be a government institution, than a religious one. Though people have a hard time separating them. There is also hospital visitation, benefits, etc. If the system could be restructured completely then I would be all for it. It's no one else's business who someone chooses to be with.
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Alec Watts
2/27/2012 03:46:13 pm
Why the dichotomy? I would prefer marriage be viewed as an entirely personal thing. That personal thing can include a religious institution if you're so inclined or maybe just be a big party with neither the government nor the church involved.
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susan mcmillen
2/24/2012 03:17:10 am
Bottom line...i want the same rights as my neighbors, family, and friends...i don't want "us" to be looked at as "just not quite good enough"...this whole issue, i think, is similar to when it was ILLEGAL for blacks and whites to marry!
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Susan McMillen
2/24/2012 03:17:52 am
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Here in Australia there are some small difference between being married and de facto, but in the scheme of things we have the same right as a married person (except for the word marriage and the ceremony). We have a government health care system that recognises same sex relationships and a growing private system health system that does too.
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Marie
2/24/2012 07:34:43 am
I think its a very interesting concept. BW for president!
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Melissa Tsang
2/24/2012 09:54:00 am
Seconded. Great thoughts, BW!
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Molly
2/24/2012 10:23:12 am
First of all, there are real, measurable benefits to society when two adults form a contract that states that they will take care of each other and their children. What do you think happens *financially* when a wife vs a single woman become disabled? The government pays for the care of the single woman, but the husband pays to take care of the married woman.
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2/28/2012 08:22:38 am
I disagree, mostly because the freedoms you list don't necessitate state-recognized marriage. They can simply be arranged through contract. This would give you almost unlimited flexibility, rather than subjecting you to an individual state's default rules.
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Sx
2/26/2012 02:26:48 am
This is similar to the argument made in <I>Beyond Gay or Straight Marriage</i>, which I find extremely compelling. In essence, she says we should shift away from centering things on marriage and instead devise laws that recognize all types of families (with or without kids), instead of privileging ones where people are either married, or in marriage-like relationships:
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Sue
2/27/2012 11:26:14 am
So much to say, how to say it succinctly.
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Alec
2/27/2012 03:43:22 pm
Also worth mentioning is the problems with a tax structure that favors state-married folks. I think it was Joan Williams that argued that because a married couple files their tax returns jointly, many women in a straight, state marriage do not work in order to keep the couple in lower tax bracket. (I know that's what happened to my mom.) Since women on average make less than men we have situations where women are financially dependent on men, even if they want to work. Their skills atrophy and their incentives for staying in a marriage include financial ones, even if it would be better for them to leave the marriage (e.g., in the case of abuse or simply because she would be better off not being married).
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2/28/2012 08:14:00 am
Great point about the incentive to stay married, Alec. That's a whole other dimension of the problems associated with the state's endorsing a particular family structure. I have also heard of women staying in less-than-optimal relationships for health care reasons.
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Alec
2/28/2012 04:37:19 pm
Eh, I don't know if the FMLA was created to allow people to contribute to "good" in the world...and, if it was, I'm not sure if I would support it solely based on that reasoning.
Alec
2/28/2012 04:37:44 pm
Eh, I don't know if the FMLA was created to allow people to contribute to "good" in the world...and, if it was, I'm not sure if I would support it solely based on that reasoning.
Alec
2/28/2012 04:37:54 pm
Eh, I don't know if the FMLA was created to allow people to contribute to "good" in the world...and, if it was, I'm not sure if I would support it solely based on that reasoning.
Alec
2/28/2012 04:37:59 pm
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2/28/2012 04:38:08 pm
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Paige
2/28/2012 12:33:43 am
I think that everyone has the rights aspect covered pretty well already, but I wanted to throw in a little statistical and numerical info. As much as I dislike the regulation of familial structures, especially in a way that discounts my personal beliefs, there is a reason why there are tax cuts and incentives for having children. There is an epidemic spreading across the developed world: aging populations. Canada, Germany and Japan are the strongest examples of nations that do not have a replenishing workforce (creating an eventual economic downfall). The US, France and Italy are a few countries that are barely hanging on to a stable population breakdown (by age).
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Susan
2/29/2012 01:47:38 am
I'm a citizen of this country...as one of its citizens, I'm supposed to have equal rights. I don't. I have a life long partner and I want to marry her...I want that right...I don't give a crap about how or why "marriage" originated...I just want the right to have one, if I so choose, like other citizens of this country are allowed. Not asking for anything more, anything less.
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M Chakraborti
3/5/2012 09:38:05 pm
I am personally against the Institution of marriage in any form.Any social structure which demands absolute commitment for a lifetime(or less),irrespective of whether its spontaneous or not,is bound to prove exploitative and hazardous(not to mention,legal hassles involved in getting a divorce too).Walking down the aisle is no problem at all,but to ensure that each and everyday of the ensuing life remains as blissfully marvellous....well........So,in this respect,I hold more or less the same opinion for straight as well
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