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Defining "Butch"

1/31/2013

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One of the questions I posed to you a couple week ago was, "How do you define 'butch?'  Does butch necessarily mean 'female?'" 

At first, I was surprised so few people answered this one.  But it's tough (I've talked about the difficulty of defining "butch" before).  So, kudos to those of you who took a stab at this one.  At the end, I riff a little about my own definition.


Answer #1:
(from Mainely Butch, who posted it on her site):

Butch is fierce, strong and rough, yet gentle.  Butch is no-nonsense, yet silly sometimes.  Butch is a generally tough exterior, yet a sort of teddy bear on the inside.  Butch is that feeling that you need to fix everything…even when you know you can’t.  Butch is not crying in public…at least trying not to!  Butch is steeling emotions on the surface, and dealing with them when you are alone.  Butch is getting up and doing what needs to be done even when you are sore, hurting and really don’t want to do it, but you do it anyway – because you are Butch. Butch is never letting them see you sweat.  Butch is shopping in the men’s department and anguishing over which dressing room you’ll be banned from.  Butch is avoiding public bathrooms as much as physically possible and using them at great risk of possible violence.  Butch is brushing off (and secretly smiling) all of the “sirs” and “young man” comments that those in the unknowing world dish out to us. Butch is standing up for what is right, even if it means getting our asses kicked.  Butch is good.  Butch is true.  Butch is flexible and giving.  Butch is whatever defines you, or how you define it for yourself.


Answer #2:

To me, butch means a nontraditional female who may be rougher, larger, or carry some other traits that are considered "masculine," whether she overtly identifies as masculine or not. She may have been a tomboy as a girl, and she may have been either picked on or encouraged for wearing swim trunks, climbing trees, fighting, or otherwise playing the way boys are understood to play, while seriously distrusting the inherent message being conveyed when adults would point her towards dolls, dresses, curtsies, flutterings of the eyelashes, and any other cutesie-poo behaviors ("Why can't you be just like Shirley Temple?!").

As this 'boyish' child matures, she may try to fit in and become feminine at the urging of society, but, especially if she is gay, it likely does not work out easily or to her satisfaction; hence you now have an adult butch woman in whatever manifestation that takes, be it celebratory and accepted in the queer community; shunned upon and difficult in localities (or times) lacking that community; grudgingly and with a distaste for labels but just accepting "I am what I am"; or perhaps placed within a neat "butch-femme" courtship dynamic which allows her to take on traditional male roles in a relationship thus not feeling lost from societal norms.

The above is not a prescriptive definition; it is only a description of how "Butch" seems through the window of my life.

Prior to the blossoming of gay culture and butch lesbian acceptance (or at least to its availability to me) I would silently insist that I knew a butch woman when I saw one. My third grade teacher. Alice from the Brady Bunch. Even Jodie Foster in Freaky Friday -- I recognized this girl actress to be akin to me. To me it seems like many of those butches in the past, though beloved, might often have felt put upon to act the stooge, being clumsy or "not good at sewing" or "exasperated with men."  I now believe the stooge act to have been necessitated by the times, and that these women, gay or not, had a lot of secrets and were probably tougher than most Dads I knew.

Butch, as I see it, is not a style, a flavor, a haircut, a dating tactic, or even an attitude. It's the visible reflection of the way that girls who became gay women (or trans men) struggled and learned to do so on their own terms, rejecting the pre-packaged notions of femininity offered to them in their youths as the required counterpart of masculinity. It is an attempt to be a whole person, even if that whole person does not "fit in" to what is expected of one's gender.

Now, with the growing acceptance of butches (slow be it coming), the definitions will shift from Butch as a reaction to society, to Butch as a choice, even a label. The shift of acceptance should be celebrated and differences encouraged. We must never reject someone [just] because their labeling system does not match our own.


Answer #3:

I define butch as a part of sexual orientation (not that you can't do butch on butch but it is still sexual I hope).  If you identify as butch, you are butch.

That said, I like to think I know butch when I see it. This is what I look for:
  • Some visible leaning toward handsome rather than pretty (this is on the surface, such as haircut, clothes, shoes, accessories or lack thereof).
  • Some level of "Sir Gallahad" in comportment and body language that feels authentic
  • When playing, reads as a tomboy
  • Some contradiction or complication between gender identity, sex, and sexual orientation that queers everything.  This could just be expressed by some dysphoria or total dysphoria when forced to look "femmy" or it could be an inability to claim to be a butch and a woman or a butch and a lesbian - i.e. just ID as butch.

Answer #4:

To the masculine of center, as well as any where in the spectrum from bio-male to FtM transexual, to FtM transgender, to hard Butch (passing for male) to soft Butch Male ID, to Boi (male ID) to butch female ID, to tomboi femme.  There is in some way an over lapping of of masculine and feminine.


Back to BW:

I thought these answers were all thought-provoking.  Before I started this blog, "butch" always meant female to me.  After all, if it didn't, then wouldn't a lot of straight cis men be "butch?"  What would that mean for those of us in the queer community?  I like the idea that "butch" separates me from being a man--for me, it's a way of being a woman--a particular type of woman that I know and love and recognize.

But I soon learned that my thinking was too narrow: there are plenty of non-gender-binary folks who ID as butch.  And this makes complete intuitive sense to me.  Which leads me to think that when I say "butch," I'm talking chiefly about a non-"male" form of masculinity--that is, about socially "masculine" attributes divorced from identification exclusively as a man.

At the same time, can I tell someone who IDs exclusively as male that he is not "butch?"  I don't feel that I have that right, any more than I have the right to tell a woman in a skirt and heels that she is not "butch." 

If I lack any right to "police" butchness, then isn't the label "butch" only about understanding one's self, not about understanding others?  And isn't this ultimately true about all labels?  (If my white octogenarian grandfather chooses to ID as a young Chinese-American lesbian, who would I be to stop him?  At some point, does this just get silly?)

At the same time, if every straight cis guy started saying the word "butch" instead of the word "masculine" or "dude" or however he describes himself, I'd probably turn to a different term to describe myself (internally and to others).  This leads me to think that the term "butch" is not just to describe myself; it's also relational--a way to explain to myself and others what my "ethos" is--how I exist in the world.

Whether you're butch or not, dear readers, how do you define it?  Do any of the definitions above appeal to you?  Do any bother you?  What does "butch" mean in terms of sex, sexual orientation, and/or gender? 

29 Comments
Bren link
1/31/2013 01:42:26 am

Butch is a flag that I'm proud to stand under. It's the reclaiming of a word that outside forces have tried - and failed - to turn into an insult. It's the celebration of masculinity in a female body, or in a body that the mainstream world doesn't think has a "right" to that masculinity. Butch is defiance. It's the embodiment of all the good parts of chivalry, and the rejection of misogyny. It's the radical embracing of the one's true self, regardless of the societal repercussions. Butch is the long, proud history of rebels, outcasts, warriors, lovers, poets, and revolutionaries; it's a history that I'm grateful to be a part of.

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Karen
1/31/2013 02:29:49 am

I really enjoyed reading this post as my own "butch" is something I struggle with. There were good points in every answer but Bren you really nailed it for me! I smiled and felt my first ever pang of pride for the butch in me. Thanks so much.

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Bren link
1/31/2013 02:39:03 am

You're very welcome, Karen. :)

Suz
1/31/2013 03:15:20 am

I love your comment. I am curious about you comment about rejecting misogyny. Do you feel you have to be butch to reject misogyny?

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Butch Wonders link
2/1/2013 01:52:20 am

FWIW, I interpreted Bren as saying not that you have to be butch to reject misogyny, but that you have to reject misogyny to be butch.

I don't agree that butch is *necessarily* about rejecting misogyny... but I sure hope it is for most people!

Dodo
2/8/2013 10:16:03 pm

Well-said. Love your defenition <3

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bobbi
1/31/2013 02:20:01 am

I was skeptical at first to read this, as I have a VERY strong opinion as to what Butch is. I am femme but my partner is OFOS Butch..just the way I like, and define, a true Butch. I came away from this pleasantly surprised with these "definitions". Granted, there are some points that I don't fully agree with, but overall, I feel this post did justice to all the wonderful Butches in our world.

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Zoe link
1/31/2013 02:28:26 am

If you were to ask me this 5 years ago, I probably would have answered that butch is something archaic, and perhaps even 'wrong'. I'm not proud of that opinion that I had, btw.

Now though, I am happy to identify as butch, even if it isn't something that is looked positively on in my locality. Butches, like camp gay men are somehow seen as the bad side of homosexuality- that we give gay women a bad name. So many lesbians I speak to online are quick to assert that they are femme, and that they only like other femmes. That sometimes gets me down, but then I realise I am who I am, and I'm proud of that.

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Wendy
1/31/2013 03:23:59 am

Most of these answers completely erase butch trans women and non-binary identified people which is a shame.

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Jamie Ray link
1/31/2013 08:07:46 pm

Author #3 here, for me there is definitely an overlap between butch and trans* but I tried to deny it for a long time because it didn't fit with my feminist ideals. I have friends who can say "butch woman" without any discomfort at all, but I have a little hesitation getting the phrase out when it refers to me. I believe in the "big tent" of butchness and appreciate this blog providing the space for this discussion.

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Butch Wonders link
2/1/2013 01:54:41 am

@ Wendy: I sure hope you're wrong about that. And, personally I hope that the part of my own answer that reads:

when I say "butch," I'm talking chiefly about a non-"male" form of masculinity--that is, about socially "masculine" attributes divorced from identification exclusively as a man

--I hope that part makes it clear that I'm not rejecting butch trans women or non-binary ID'd people.

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Anne
1/31/2013 11:29:48 am

Bren... Thank you so much for the reminder. I miss like minded butches who get the big IT of being butch.

Becoming comfortable in ones own non society standard skin is difficult when you don't fit convention.

Wendy..... We are fortunate for all those who identify as part of this community. I think the only thing we all agree on no matter what, is that as gender identity becomes more fluid it becomes more difficult to define ourselves. Please share how you define Butch. I don't believe any of us are trying to exclude anyone. All we can do is base our responses on our individual life experiences.

Also has anyone else read "Female Masculinity"?

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Wendy
2/1/2013 12:34:25 am

I find it extremely difficult to pin down a single definition of the word butch. It is an identity that encompasses a lot of different experiences. There are a ton of traits which could be listed as being "butch", lots of these traits were listed in the above definitions, but not every butch will identify with every trait so I don't think it's really helpful to depend on that. Like many of the people who responded I tend to feel like "I know one when I meet one" but it's hard to get into exactly why or how I know.

I guess that the most important thing about what makes someone butch is that they claim that label for themselves. To me a butch someone who is queer (not necessarily Queer if that makes sense), defies expected gender roles and expression, and their gender expression is more masculine than feminine.

I don't think you have to be female or that you need to identify as a woman to be butch but I don't think that cis men can be butches because they aren't defying the gender roles or expression that society expects cis men to follow.

Completely unrelated: I love this site because it's fun, it's thought provoking, and it's all about butches and God knows I have a serious weakness for butches :P

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Butch Wonders link
2/1/2013 01:55:46 am

Yes--you mean Halberstam's book, right? Love it.

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Anne
2/1/2013 06:55:22 am

Yes, that is the book! I love how she approaches the entire subject. :-)

Chris link
2/1/2013 08:23:09 am

Yes, I've read it--the first time, just days after I realized there was something unusual about my gender. The paperback edition with "Raging Bull" on the cover. I looked at that painting and thought, "This is how I'm supposed to look."

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Ruth
1/31/2013 06:46:47 pm

Answer #3 saya that a butch can feel dysphoria when forced to femme it up. I've been wondering a lot of late, can a cis female butch feel dysphoria on any level or is dysphoria strictly a trans* thing? Or can it be experienced in anyone who wants to exhibit transgender behaviour/present themselves in a transgender way while still identifying as cis?

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Butch Wonders link
2/1/2013 02:04:45 am

What a great question! That might actually merit its own post, now that I think about it... but my first reaction is: YES! Dysphoria means a state of unhappiness/unwellness/the feeling that something is "not right." So I think yes, absolutely.

Can cis women who are butch experience *gender dysphoria?* This seems a harder question to me. My first reaction is also yes. If I see butch as my gender, or [insert descriptor here] as my gender, and I am doing something that goes against that and makes me uncomfortable as a result, I *do* feel like that's "gender dysphoria." (Maybe more in a colloquial sense than a technical one? I don't know the "scientific" definition, so I don't know.)

At the same time, I wouldn't want to presume that the dysphoria I'd experience by, say, wearing a dress, would be the same dysphoria that a trans* male person would experience. It may be totally different in kind or degree. It seems like it would, in fact, because at least people would experience *me* as the sex with which I identify. (I am visibly cringing while writing this, which I think certainly means there's SOME degree of "dysphoria" involved.)

I also think that I can feel dysphoria by being gendered either way. Again, maybe in a more colloquial use of the word, I'd experience dysphoria if I had to wear a dress. But I also experience dysphoria when people call me "sir," because I ID as female.

Do others with more knowledge on the subject (and I suspect there are many of you out there!) want to weigh in? Hmm, I do think I'm going to make this a blog post. What a great question.

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Tessa/Tristan/Argh why are names complicated
2/1/2013 04:56:21 am

I totally want to weigh in. I ID as a non-binary butch, and I do experience gender dysphoria that's related to my body. I have a large chest and hips and a small waist--basically an hourglass figure. The femininity of my body makes me really uncomfortable. I really wish that I fit well in men's jeans so that I could make myself look more angular. I can't wear clothes that emphasize my waist or else I start seeing a stranger in the mirror.

I'm finding that I also experience some form of social dysphoria, as Mx. Punk put it. (http://rainbowgenderpunk.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/layers-of-dysphoria/) I really don't like being perceived as a girl. I think part of it's because it just seems inaccurate, like a grammatical error, only instead of someone using "there" instead of "their," someone's saying that I'm a "girl person" instead of a "masculine female-bodied person" or even just a "person." Another part of it is probably that I don't like the particularly sexist way that I get misgendered some days. I don't know if any other butches or masculine-of-center female-bodied folks have experienced this, but I've had cis dudes call me "honey" pointedly or make a big deal about calling me a "chick" as if they're trying to say, "You may look like a dude, but I hear your voice and I know you're a chick, and you're never going to be as good as a dude." They're probably not thinking that far into it, and I could be reading too much into it, but that's the feeling I've gotten.

I've also had a hard time with the words "lesbian" and even "gay" when applied to myself recently, because both of those things make assumptions about my gender. A lesbian is a woman who loves other women. A gay person loves people of their own gender. I tried so hard to make myself feel like a woman, and it didn't work. Can I really be a "lesbian," since I was unable to do that? And I prefer femmes, so I usually don't find myself attracted to people of my own gender. Gay doesn't seem accurate either. I really love the lesbian community, and it feels weird to be disassociating with it like this.

I'm definitely a feminist, and that's why I have such a difficult time with my non-binary identity sometimes. Why would I want to disassociate myself from women and femininity if I really respected them and didn't see them as weak? I usually have to remember that it's not an issue of internalized sexism (although I do probably have some, as everybody does) but an issue of accuracy. Calling me a woman is like calling the sky green.

I've also been fantasizing about top surgery and changing my name, but the former is expensive and I have no idea how to get my friends and family to be okay with the latter. :/

Anyway, I am good at rambling. I would totally be willing to write an article about this stuff. Hit me up if you're interested, BW.

Shay
2/1/2013 01:26:10 am

It's reverse Ivan Coyote <3

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Tammy link
2/1/2013 05:26:22 am

I am the youngest child of 3 and the only girl. When I was three we have on tape my father saying, "Tammy, don't ever be a boy." I was the model tomboy; climbed trees, wrestled with boys, good in sports, wanted to go topless outside with my brothers, the whole nine yards. My mother - picture Peg Bundy. I was a bit of a letdown.

I tried the femme-femme route in my teens and early twenties but never felt comfortable. Now, at 40 my butch identity is comfortable. I look like I'm in drag when wearing skirts but I can wear a business suite made for a women with light makeup and mid length hair and still pull off butch. For me it's a presence and aura and a way you conduct and hold yourself.

I am strong physically and mentally, I take charge, I embrace my tomboy side while enjoying my woman body (and my wife's body) ;-)

I'm proud to be butch and to represent just one aspect of that title! We are not cookie cutters.

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Dodo
2/8/2013 10:23:25 pm

I totally agree with u !

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womandrogyne
2/1/2013 06:04:22 am

"rejecting the pre-packaged notions of femininity offered to them in their youths as the required counterpart of masculinity" - this is perfect, speaking as a somewhat non-binary trans tomboy.
As for gender dysphoria, there's a whole spectrum to how it manifests - so not everyone who experiences gender dysphoria is transgender. The point of dysphoria is to figure out for yourself what it is that stops you feeling dysphoric - and that may be anything from hormones/surgery through to a change of outfit and haircut; the point is that if not making those changes means you experience continual discomfort with your sense of gender, then you're experiencing dysphoria, and it's most likely worth making those changes to get happier.

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Ruth
2/1/2013 09:40:10 am

Thanks for the answer, the whole topic of dysphoria had been on my mind a lot these past few months. The "change of outfit and haircut" that you mentioned are *exactly* the two things i have been thinking i need. I read the post on Mx. Punk's blog on different layers of dysphoria. While me being dissatisfied with long hair may count as body dysphoria, i think the bulk of it is social dysphoria due to presenting nearly all the time as a gender-confirming girl - particularly in dress. And when having fantasies of just shaving off all my hair, i'd wonder, is this dysphoria? And then tell myself no it is not, i'm cis so it couldn't be, and though presenting femmey really sucks for me i knew i'd always have the privilege of being read as the gender i identify with (for the most part).

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Kyle Jones link
2/27/2013 09:05:05 am

Very well put. I was trying to put into words what I was thinking about this and you've done it, so thank you, @womanandrogyne.

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Caughtinyoureyes
2/1/2013 07:34:19 am

Whew, there are some passionate people on this thread. It's tough to sort it all out. I'm just your basic masculine of center lesbian with bleach blonde, shot haiir, in my 501's and low cut hikers. I open doors for my wife, drive and would LOVE to drop some boobage. I don't wanna be a boy, but I do identify as lesbian. I'm on the Waze (if you have a smart phone, you should Waze) as Rainbowboi. AND Im over 50. Just love me the way I am. I'll do the same in return.

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Heather link
2/1/2013 07:50:12 am

BW- I completely agree with you that the term "butch" is individual and relational. You are not a man, although you may dress like one. You are a woman who leans toward the masculine. That not only describes you, but where you fit into society. Perfect.
I think, however, that there are a lot of women who would cling to the label butch that we would not necessarily recognize by sight walking down the street. (ie... have long hair, may not dress in clothes from the men's department.)
I think "butch" is a hard term to describe because of this. But if a person feels comfortable with that label, who am I to judge?
I'm like this in a lot of ways. I identify myself to others as a lipstick lesbian, when in reality, I wouldn't fit the bill. I don't always dress in skirts. I'm usually in jeans. And I LOATHE lipstick. It's messy! It gets on everything! Including your partner! But I am certainly a girly femme... but I am attracted to OTHER femmes. And apparently the best way to describe this is "lipstick lesbian". *sigh*
I guess my point is, it's people like me that make terms difficult to define. Perhaps that's why you didn't find many who took a stab at it.

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Victoria Oldham link
2/2/2013 01:36:21 am

Butch is Sexy. Butch is strong, independent, caring, take charge. Butch is handsome in a suit, boish in jeans and boots. Butch is the other half of my femme, the yin to my yang. The arm that supports me and the shoulder I cry on. Butch is the laughter when I cry at commercials and the appreciative noises when I'm cooking dinner. Butch is an energy, a way of taking up space, a way of making the world their own. My butch is about male clothes that fit perfectly, dysphoria in drag, and a closer relation to the word queer than to butch because of the negative connotations butch continues to have in this country. I will always think of her as butch: as the person whose touch turns my world on its axis.

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Kyle Jones link
2/27/2013 09:14:09 am

So many good comments. I wanted to weigh in on the misogyny bit because I've been having a mental rant on the topic of butches and misogyny. I'm gratified to see people making statements against misogyny as a butch characteristic, however, I'm all to aware of how prevalent that association is with a lot of butches. Not that they'd necessarily put it in those terms, I'm sure, in the same way they'd probably not admit to being sexist. Unfortunately, much of the modeling we have for how to be masculine is wrapped up in those ideas and sometimes it feels like to be recognized as butch, we need to mimic the hyper-masculinized, stereotypical behaviors we see in the cis-men around us, or perhaps in other butches.

One example of this would be conversations where butches are talking about other women. I've heard the most sexist, insulting, woman-hating crap come out of butch mouths. Talking about their girlfriends, their wives, the women they'd like to fuck. It floors me. Here we are sitting in our levis with our vaginas talking about how frail and incompetent women are. Huh? How does that work? Anyhow, I'll cut myself off here and save it for my blog.

Thanks for giving us a forum, BW.

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